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Post by Bobbie dog as guest on Feb 18, 2005 0:26:49 GMT 1
I don't know whether to say this, here, but i like most of the stuff that Luke likes, I have done these kinda attention seeking things in the past, without the benefit of being a complete misnomer, and i have gone on through society, what's next for me? should someone not like me, or want to cause trouble for me because the way i look or the way they perceive me, then am i up as a likely candidate for murder....i'm in no way proclaiming anyone else's innocence, but in an age, where people of a younger age than me are in less of a minority, and are still very much a minority, what chance have i, of fighting the system The truth tinchick. There is a darker time coming. A darker time where things will be ever more wieghed in terms of whether or not you conform to the lexicon of an orthodoxy. Can you fight back; of course you can. The numbers who remain outwith this new orthodoxy are massive. Defend your right to be an individual: autonomous; your integrity the only compass you need. Defend traditional legal process. Defend traditional science. Defend those the ascendent orthodoxy would denigrate, condemn, and place beyond the pale. Fighting the system is simply not subscribing to it. Freedom is what it always has been; truth. Keep seeking out the truth, with every asset at your disposal: never become so soporific as to identify with any system; bear the pain of always travelling into an otherness that is always greater, always opening. Tap the inner dimensions: open through them to an ever burdgeoning infinity; never let any system persuade that what it has, is the limit of things. Believe in your self. Know that all possibilities begin in your self. That nothing that can be in and for humanity, cannot begin in, or pass through you. What system could ever defeat you. What system could take from you a freedom you refused to yield up. If any night is bad, the morning is always going to see things better. A good heart makes for a fine travelling companion.
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Post by Bobbie dog as guest on Feb 18, 2005 16:43:04 GMT 1
In a circumstance of injustice, where one part proceeds against another, on basis which is empircally invalid (and accepting and "bracketing" all that is introduced by relativity in this): there is then an exigency, what one encounters in and as this injustice; and then a further potential exigency, which has to do with mobilisng to seek to countervail this injustice. It has long seemed to me, that the primary matter in many human predicaments and circumstances, can be that of what is entailed in mobilising to putatively countervail: where some of what we view as untoward personal occurrence and development; might be explicable in terms of such mobilisation. As I mobilise to raise perspective which might countervail the prosecution of Luke Mitchell, and against a backdrop of profound public condemnation of him: it does seem to me that some of the cerebrality I take on in doing this; is not unlike some of the cerebrality I find in ADD friends. Not only might such cerebrality be required to push through countervailing perspective, to where they are articulated, explicated, engaged in discrediting: but that cerebrality might well be associated with the general personal mobilisation which can see effective participation in campaigning. I like it when we can extend the footprint of something beyond the clinical, beyond the deficit or the pathological. It seems to me that seeing where we who would hold we are A1 okay, share functional process with those we might see as vulnerable: is an important step in securing inclusion for these vulnerable. Identifying with Luke Mitchell, in his general circumstance, of having perhaps being wrongly convicted: is an important excercise in citizenship, and personal preparation for life; we secure inclusion more readily, where each of us embraces what is the same in we and he; we prepare society more fully, when we explore just how a subject might "come back" from such a circumstance of conceiveble injustice.
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Post by mev89 on Feb 21, 2005 20:00:23 GMT 1
i followed this case the whole time and there is something no-one has taken into account and that is jodi jones cousin who was there at the time she was getting murdered and if she was getting stabbed there would of been screaming im not saying luke mitchell is innocent but her cousin could of had something to do with it coz even if u r on a f****d up motorbike you would still be able to hear the screaming (if she did scream) thats what ive got to say really!!! anyway there is a lot of people that worship the satan but they kept basing their evidence on that
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Post by abc on Feb 22, 2005 14:33:52 GMT 1
fair point about the cousin but he had nothing to do with it..i think he was drug dealing or somehting thats why he was scared to tell the police..he was around the path about 5pm..jodi and that evil thing would have just got behind the wall..probably smoking canabis..they might not have heard john..he might not have heard them..easily done. luke mitchell is guilty.i knew all along.
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Post by abc on Feb 22, 2005 14:37:12 GMT 1
i know what your all thinking...god listen to abc saying how he/she knows for a fact that luke is guilty..sound like i was in on it eh..im not trying to change all of your minds but everything points to luke..including all the girls that came forward after he was found guilty.i have no doubt in my mind at all that he is innocent and i never will have. i just hope you all realise it yourself..b4 your 14 year old daughter starts writing to him! (if u have one)
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Post by fair trial on Feb 22, 2005 22:40:17 GMT 1
know what your all thinking...god listen to abc saying how he/she knows for a fact that luke is guilty..sound like i was in on it eh..im not trying to change all of your minds but everything points to luke..including all the girls that came forward after he was found guilty.i have no doubt in my mind at all that he is innocent and i never will have. i just hope you all realise it yourself..b4 your 14 year old daughter starts writing to him! (if u have one)[/quote]
Sorry ABC but you would not be able on this forum to change anyones mind we are all free thinkers and you have your opinion and that is what it is.. It is your opinion of which you are entitled to . Looking back at your previous posts it is obvious that you would be happy for Luke to remain in prison if possible have the death sentance etc etc.Thank god that this has been abolished. Whilst there is a doubt in anyones mind and there is serious doubt about the validity of this verdict and sentance. and where the evidence has been completely circumstantial and led by the prosecution. with the absence of absolutely no forensic evidance , which is totally incredible verging on the unbelievable,especially considering the brutality of this attack . All that anyone can do under these circumstances is await now on the outcome of any hearing. Locking Luke up is not Justice for Jodi if he is innocent ..and this must be proved beyond any reasonable doubt..Please realize that Verdicts can be overturned and that many innocent people have had there lives destroyed by being locked up for crimes which they did not commit .
This is only one chat forum on the Internet and there are very many others where you will find a large range of posts many of which are of the wide opinion That this has been for the time being a complete miscarriage of Justice.
Did you not say in an earlier posting that you were 150% sure a very strange comment
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Post by abc on Feb 23, 2005 13:09:18 GMT 1
i did say that yeah..i know how evil he is and that he was capable of it.
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Post by jude on Feb 23, 2005 18:45:54 GMT 1
This trial has been very emotive and I have been thinking a lot about it.
To go back to the subject of the appeal, though, am I right in thinking that this can only be successful if it can be shown that the original trial was unfair? What is covered by the idea of the trial being unfair? I know the prosecution led evidence about Luke's tattoo without informing the defence so I suppose that would be covered. Would the press coverage before the trial be a legitimate issue too?
The fact that the evidence was purely circumstantial is a concern too, but if the jury chose to accept it I suppose that this is a matter of opinion and not against the rules of a fair trial. It's worrying though if you can see how evidence could be interpreted either way.
My point in this post is not to speculate on guilt or innocence but on the fairness or unfairness of the trial alone, and on the extent to which this can be appealed. I look forward to hearing other comments.
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Post by mev89 on Feb 23, 2005 19:57:31 GMT 1
if you knew luke mitchell you could regard about how evil or not evil he is. yes he has a desire for the satan and all but so do a lot of people. they looked at lukes background and how he smoked like 600 joints a week i somehow think that the media xaggerated some how. this is strange on how they looked at what type of music he liked and stuff like that how come they didnt do this for ian huntley and how he killed holly and jessica all they didnt base anything on his background which i think they should of done if they done this with luke mitchell. i think they jus wanted to pin it on how wierd his background okay he did smoke a lot of cannabis and this may of made his skitsophrenic. i think they wanted to blame it on the type of music he liked.
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Post by abc on Feb 24, 2005 13:57:34 GMT 1
i knew luke mitchell. he is evil.
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Post by Bobbie dog as guest on Feb 24, 2005 14:59:22 GMT 1
Could you be specific about what it is about Luke Mitchell, which justifies the label evil? What did he say or do in your presence, that led to the judgement that he be evil? Or do you have some other way of relating to people, that allows you to see good and evil in them, without their speaking or doing having to be involved? Do you know any of the other characters involved in this Dalkeith events? Do you see these other characters as good or evil? and why so?
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Post by mev89 on Feb 24, 2005 16:50:59 GMT 1
did he eva do anything to you!!!! and did u ever got to court? testify against him
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Post by mev89 on Feb 24, 2005 16:53:11 GMT 1
did u ever talk to him? see what he was like?
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Post by Tuesg on Feb 24, 2005 17:24:53 GMT 1
Just a note to keep this sensible please, i don't doubt you won't but some of these questions are become a little personal to abc.
And I would rather no one gets angry or annoyed over this topic.
Though if abc wants or does not want to answer the questions then that is fine.
Thanks
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Post by abc on Feb 24, 2005 17:49:14 GMT 1
im sorry but with respect to the jones family and everyone involved i would rather not tak about that.ive had words with him b4 and had a smoke with him..he didnt act out of the ordinary but i knew there was just something not right. he seemed deep and dark.and did smoke alot of canabis so was spaced out most of the time.
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